Can machines think?
What about spirituality?
What about Shinto?
Why should man be considered 'superior'?
(Michelle) Yes, this goes to the question of what is it to be human?
What does it mean to be alive/part of a society?
- 1st chapter is about how life is organasised when does the organism end and the envirohnment begins, are they part of tha same systems?
- (Michelle) where is the direction of the text going?
- (Sonia) Aristotle in relation to causes: humans choose their own causes (?
- (Michelle) how much of this concept of contingency is taken into the research process?
com/watch?
When is something called intelligence?
Renee: difference between wink and blink?
and how would that be worrying?
Danae: containeristation requires an amount of new skills, so we are in the midst of this problem, sustaining a more conservative system or embrace a new one?
Sieta: but an intentional trajectory would be within the context of the environment that also constraints, does that allow for less or more freedom?
Why do people become who they are?
If we release the framework of failure, we can really that we are in iterative cycles, and we can keep asking ourselves—how do I learn from this?
Which one is top down & which one is bottop up?
Linda: so the freedom we are talking about then, is it the freedom to be a finger while knowing that you are attached to a body?
What is the truth of freedom in this?
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(Sieta can add note later?
At which stage do you introduce the ethics and that frameworks?
Is it too late to introduce them now?
Do they have to be introduced in the beginning or can they be encoded later?
Anna: Is ethics the potential of making an unbiased system?
Eg: what is a cancerous cell?
Sonia: yes, but how many people do you include?
Do you include nonhumans?
Agathe: how to relate machine learning to this complex system theory?
Question: How does this notion of bias relate to machine pedagogies (also relating to Linda's question about when to introduce these 'ethics' into AI), could a machine also be learning over time and space?
Renee: Renee talked about the video with Maya Indira Ganesh in conversation with Nishant Shah on: do datasets just grow?
Are they responsive or inclusive?
com/watch?
Renee: what does that mean in terms of datasets?
org/?
Google deep dream as human-induced AI hallucinations?
If we release the framework of failure, we can really that we are in iterative cycles, and we can keep asking ourselves—how do I learn from this?
And how does this work in an AI system?
com/watch?
What about doing?
Did AI detect a ghost?
How does that work as well?
Renee: HOw does the camera frame the recognition?
Would it be possible to have the screen share on so I can look at the code while I am writing?
S: do you see it?
R: COCO comes from the Gorilla, Like COCO wanta a banaan?
S: Should I click on something else?
How are the icons developed?
R: It is scraping any informatino from the url> ?
Linda: Why children?
R: It raises the question who is being trained actually?
[Who and where are the workers?
A: Should we read the paper or look at something else?
com/url?
Is this where we are at?
C: Do you think they developed it themselves?
rather than solve, perhaps it can become more transparent?
Or use those biases as a source of debate and public engagement?
Is this a Luddite arguement?
What is the scope of the objection - is it about simply limitations or more profound?
Rather than a problem of the mathematical capabilities of the machine, it can instead (missed this part) (be a problem of the receiver?
If Turing was to re-write this text in the present, how would he re-write it?
What is it to be human?
What would be the questions you would ask him if he were here?
But if he were in the room, what would be the questions we would ask him?
For example, what would he think of drones?
|||STOP||||Where does the organism begin or end?
What is necessary is to have clear ideas about what life is?
|||STOP||||How is this system relational?
|||STOP||||Are dualities gradients?
How is contingency defined within the models presented in the text?
Dates: 25, 26 March?
or 26, 27 March?
co/invitation/mural/v28710/1617120139614?
What brings you joy in this time?
What do "we" want to be "saved" from?
What kind of technologies do we want in the first place?
How would we embed our highest values?
What is depth in the context of deep learning?
What is the role of social and cultural memory within the context of technology?
What does it mean to recall and remember?
What are we forgetting today?
Is it possible to speak of "reconnection" at all?
Aren't we disconnected, per definition?
Can technology help us to remember what we have forgotten?
What is consent in the context of data extraction?
How do you deal with the desire for social domination?
What is the best way of framing a conversation around positive versus negative (or other forms) of exposure?
What kind of infrastructure is needed for subaltern pattern making?
[16:11] Renée : So then we hit mute?
[16:12] Cristina : do we hit play?
[16:14] Sieta : did you press play?
[16:19] Renée : What brings you joy in this time?
[16:21] Renée : What kind of technologies do we want in the first place?
[16:21] Renée : How would we embed our highest values?
[16:21] Renée : What is depth in the context of deep learning?
[16:23] Cristina : (side-question: did anyone read the Indigenous AI position paper?
[16:23] Renée : What is the role of social and cultural memory within the context of technology?
What does it mean to recall and remember?
[16:24] Renée : What are we forgetting today?
[16:24] Sieta : Can technology help us to remember what we have forgotten?
[16:25] Renée : What is consent in the context of data extraction?
[16:27] Renée : What are the processes of alienation and detachment that take place within AI's ruse?
[16:28] Renée : How do race and technology shape one another?
[16:28] Renée : How are input, output and impact interrelated?
[16:31] Renée : How are algorithms, as proprietary black boxes, cloaking systemic racism while simultaneously executing (producing) (proliferating) it?
[16:35] Renée : How are we literally indebted to these technologies?
[16:36] Renée : What is the responsibility with those with computational expertise?
[16:39] Sieta : what was the name of this movie?
[16:41] Cristina : did it also skip bacck to the beginning for you?
[16:46] Renée : What are the financial incentives behind racist and sexist patterning?
[16:48] Renée : How is fairness defined in this context?
[16:49] Renée : How do we interrogate what it means to be seen and grasp its consequences in terms of exposure, if not vulnerability?
[16:55] Cristina : is this adjacent video watching ?
[16:57] danae : the zoo bird keeper?
[17:29] Renée : What is her name again?
perhaps the sub- and infra- in subaltern and infrastructure can point towards grassroots infrastructures which can eventually federate?
[17:33] Renée : chapter in ?
[17:42] Renée : When is being seen essential and when is exploitative?
[17:52] Michelle : What would my life be without AI?
[17:52] Renée : Is AI just convenience?
[17:52] Renée : Does AI help with more vitally with certain communities?
[17:53] Michelle : Is AI really necessary?
[17:54] Michelle : What would happen if AI suddenly disappeared?
[17:54] Michelle : Is AI just an arms race and is the robot revolution imminent?
[17:59] Cristina : is AI only servitude?
[18:01] Agathe Balayn : i would say that any recommender system is ai, right?
twitter sorting posts on your wall?
[18:02] Linda : and email?
co/invitation/mural/v28710/1617120139614?
Renee: what is care as intelligence?
what is intelligence, the artifice?
measured by leaderboards?
Winograd schemas ("The man could not lift his son because he was too fat" --> who was too fat?
"documentation debt" = when datasets are so large it is difficult/expensive to document them?
Renee: datasets as Rapuccini's daughter (?
Michelle: where is the funding concentrated?
who is the audience of these papers?
what use are these systems if someone is speaking urdu?
php?
Can you imagine if a similar amount of energy was expended on educating a child?
xample, that the residents of the Maldives (likely to be underwater by 2100) or the 800,000 people in Sudan affected by drastic floods pay the environmental price of training and deploying ever larger English LMs, when similar large-scale models aren’t being produced for Dhivehi or Sudanese Arabic?
ref to How Not To Teach (?
linda: how can you talk about refusal when you don't even have a base understanding?
which feminism can actualise in data science?
is it only liberal feminism?
does the radical have space?
renee: what are the leaderboards/benchmarks for this text?
agathe: how do these topics become accepted through the peer review processes?
pdf (maybe rhizomatica?
"When something can't be fixed, then the question is what can we build instead?
[17:11] Sieta: like a README?
[17:37] Renée: who are the curators and what is their agenda - whether formulated forthrightly or through neglect?
[17:49] Michelle: how about a care brief?
[15:19] Renée: does the line break occassionally?
[16:15] Sieta: is there somewhere a website for rhizomatica?
[16:28] Renée: at the exclusion of others?
com/watch?
[16:56] Cristina: next time you mean or in between?
[16:59] Michelle: when?
[17:00] Michelle: at 4?
[17:02] Cristina: @danae: when is the talk with you and timnit?
[17:02] Cristina: recorded?